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Wanted to post to share my thoughts since I know Haxus does not visit the discord often.

I share a lot of similar feeling as others so I won't repeat everything. I love the game yadda yadda worried the steam release yadda yadda.

I see a few important considerations for the release:

* Ensuring we can present the best possible game to brand new players.
Here we all love the game and are dedicated about it, but it's important to try and look at it from an outside perspective. Just as an example, I was talking to my friend about some my of exploits in the game and what not and he said it sounds cool. I share some pictures and his response went to "oh.. it looks like an old game." To some people graphics are very very important. It's a shame it's that way, but with so many AAA games people expect "amazing visuals." Mind you this doesn't mean photorealism. I know Astroneer was brought up as an example, the game looks great even though it's a very 'minimalist' style. Hazeron could use a face lift in a few places. Creatures, plants, and such. Picking a certain style and sticking with it might help. Now obviously, as stated, Haxus is not a god and able to do everything amazing! Art is a struggle. I'm not saying "delay until graphics are better" because that's unreasonable. But I think making it clear "non final graphics" or something might help quell those new players who can instead go "oh it looks bad right now, but they are going to improve it so I'll give it a shot!" It sounds stupid, but it could make a difference.

* Core Gameplay Loop
This one is a big and tough one. Personally I feel as though the loop isn't as fulfilling as it could be. Making that first city is amazing, you learn how things interconnect, it's neat and a fun time. Making that first hostile environment is the same way, you overcome and adapt and it's a fun challenge. Then you make some more. After your 10th city, done almost the same, it starts to get stale. Maybe you turn to exploration. It's a lot of fun! cruising around and finding that ringworld, or maybe you found a really neat double ringed planet! But as you go further, travel farther, it starts to also become stale. Wait [time] and then scan. Over and over and over. Perhaps combat could give you that change you are looking for? You give it a shot. Well, it just also feels unsatisfying.

I don't want it to sound like I am bashing the game completely, I just want to make a point that the progression feels a little.. off. The 100th city is the same as the first. The worst part is I have no real solutions. The technology system was sorta trying to fix this, giving that sense of progression. Resource quality sorta tries to fix it, but doesn't quite. I don't know what to say other than "more fleshed out stuff" There is a reason I am not a game designer I suppose.

All in all I love a lot about hazeron, I just hope that Joe Random Steam user might too.

On the topic of resets:

I think both sides have valid points. I think the reset should happen when all the new systems (vehicle, item, creature?) are done so that all the old stuff can be properly purged. It sounds like this will take a while, and the steam release is desired sooner. I suggest mentioning that there will be resets to progress in the future if the general intention is never resetting, as this reset would be pretty needed.

My point is I feel "Early Access" as a title might give Hazeron a little more leniency with the average Steam Gamer. They will look at it not as a "This is a final, unchanging product" but rather as a "This is neat and is being worked on, I bet it'll get even better in the future." It might not interest them immediately, perhaps due to graphics or disinterest in the lack of "gameplay rewards" but they will instead frame that absence as "it's being worked on, I should check on it often" instead of "The game was sold incomplete. What a scam."
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Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 01:01 AM
RE: Steam - by Mr. Mortius - 12-12-2018, 06:36 AM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-12-2018, 02:36 PM
RE: Steam - by Ikkir Isth - 12-12-2018, 07:01 AM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-12-2018, 09:32 AM
RE: Steam - by Neils Iyssada - 12-12-2018, 11:06 AM
RE: Steam - by OnePercent - 12-12-2018, 11:35 AM
RE: Steam - by Trusin - 12-12-2018, 01:49 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 03:52 PM
RE: Steam - by Ikkir Isth - 12-12-2018, 03:58 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 04:03 PM
RE: Steam - by tackeart - 12-12-2018, 04:36 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 04:41 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-12-2018, 04:47 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Steam - by Trusin - 12-12-2018, 09:03 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 04:59 PM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-12-2018, 05:33 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 05:46 PM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-12-2018, 06:14 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 06:41 PM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-12-2018, 06:45 PM
RE: Steam - by Ikkir Isth - 12-12-2018, 06:48 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-12-2018, 06:53 PM
RE: Steam - by Mr. Mortius - 12-12-2018, 07:19 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-12-2018, 07:25 PM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-12-2018, 07:36 PM
RE: Steam - by Mr. Mortius - 12-12-2018, 07:37 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-12-2018, 07:42 PM
RE: Steam - by Mr. Mortius - 12-12-2018, 07:43 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 07:54 PM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-12-2018, 08:22 PM
RE: Steam - by Hannibal - 12-12-2018, 10:10 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-12-2018, 10:36 PM
RE: Steam - by martianant - 12-13-2018, 01:56 AM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-13-2018, 02:17 AM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-13-2018, 03:39 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-13-2018, 10:07 PM
RE: Steam - by Tor - 12-15-2018, 09:47 AM
RE: Steam - by Jalaris - 12-15-2018, 09:42 PM
RE: Steam - by jakbruce2012 - 12-16-2018, 08:09 PM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 12-17-2018, 11:50 AM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-17-2018, 03:16 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 04:42 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-17-2018, 04:52 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 04:57 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 05:02 PM
RE: Steam - by jakbruce2012 - 12-21-2018, 12:49 AM
RE: Steam - by Neils Iyssada - 12-17-2018, 05:06 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-17-2018, 05:16 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 05:23 PM
RE: Steam - by RKB53 - 12-17-2018, 05:23 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-17-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 05:39 PM
RE: Steam - by Tureis - 12-17-2018, 05:53 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 05:54 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-17-2018, 05:57 PM
RE: Steam - by Tureis - 12-17-2018, 06:02 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 12-17-2018, 06:02 PM
RE: Steam - by Ikkir Isth - 12-17-2018, 09:17 PM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 12-18-2018, 12:43 AM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-18-2018, 08:34 AM
RE: Steam - by Mr. Mortius - 12-19-2018, 06:24 PM
RE: Steam - by Neils Iyssada - 12-20-2018, 11:27 AM
RE: Steam - by Phenoix12 - 12-21-2018, 05:49 PM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-21-2018, 05:58 PM
RE: Steam - by resonkinetic - 12-21-2018, 09:22 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-21-2018, 10:41 PM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 12-21-2018, 11:55 PM
RE: Steam - by Ikkir Isth - 12-22-2018, 12:22 AM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-22-2018, 12:59 AM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-22-2018, 02:55 AM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-22-2018, 05:15 AM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-22-2018, 06:08 AM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-22-2018, 07:03 AM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-22-2018, 09:01 AM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-22-2018, 04:56 PM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 12-22-2018, 09:59 AM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-22-2018, 02:13 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 12-22-2018, 05:24 PM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-22-2018, 06:25 PM
RE: Steam - by Moghom - 12-23-2018, 04:34 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-24-2018, 03:39 AM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-24-2018, 06:26 AM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-24-2018, 07:25 AM
RE: Steam - by expert700 - 12-24-2018, 05:26 PM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-24-2018, 06:56 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 12-24-2018, 10:41 PM
RE: Steam - by Etgfrog - 12-30-2018, 02:58 AM
RE: Steam - by Minty - 12-30-2018, 07:54 AM
RE: Steam - by Slaxx - 12-30-2018, 02:22 PM
RE: Steam - by Vectorus - 01-01-2019, 12:16 PM
RE: Steam - by Norway174 - 01-11-2019, 03:18 AM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 01-11-2019, 05:53 AM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 01-11-2019, 09:11 AM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 01-11-2019, 08:43 PM
RE: Steam - by Deantwo - 01-14-2019, 11:33 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 01-12-2019, 11:02 AM
RE: Steam - by zephar - 01-25-2019, 05:16 AM
RE: Steam - by NeoKuro - 02-04-2019, 01:34 AM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-02-2019, 01:03 AM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 03-02-2019, 09:32 PM
RE: Steam - by martianant - 03-02-2019, 10:54 PM
RE: Steam - by ChronoAtog - 03-07-2019, 08:32 PM
RE: Steam - by martianant - 03-08-2019, 03:39 AM
RE: Steam - by ChronoAtog - 03-08-2019, 12:09 PM
RE: Steam - by jakbruce2012 - 03-14-2019, 01:41 AM
RE: Steam - by Vooker525 - 03-02-2019, 02:59 AM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-02-2019, 05:00 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-03-2019, 12:33 AM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-03-2019, 12:51 AM
RE: Steam - by Deantwo - 03-03-2019, 01:24 AM
RE: Steam - by Slaxx - 03-03-2019, 12:11 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 03-03-2019, 03:28 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-03-2019, 04:44 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-03-2019, 04:46 PM
RE: Steam - by Deantwo - 03-03-2019, 05:43 PM
RE: Steam - by Slaxx - 03-03-2019, 05:45 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 03-03-2019, 06:47 PM
RE: Steam - by Deantwo - 03-03-2019, 07:53 PM
RE: Steam - by pizzasgood - 03-04-2019, 11:22 PM
RE: Steam - by Paulie Walnuts - 03-05-2019, 06:56 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 03-07-2019, 08:47 PM
RE: Steam - by AnrDaemon - 03-14-2019, 01:43 AM
Steam Milestone - by Haxus - 06-04-2019, 04:20 PM
RE: Steam - by Ikkir Isth - 06-04-2019, 08:19 PM
RE: Steam - by Cousarr - 06-05-2019, 05:40 AM
RE: Steam - by Slaxx - 06-05-2019, 10:46 AM
RE: Steam - by CaptObvious - 06-05-2019, 11:23 AM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 06-05-2019, 02:53 PM
RE: Steam - by CaptObvious - 06-05-2019, 04:14 PM
RE: Steam - by Haxus - 06-25-2019, 07:09 PM
RE: Steam - by Oggal - 06-26-2019, 08:13 PM
RE: Steam - by Slaxx - 09-21-2019, 11:16 AM

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