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Celarious: /* Military aspect */

2024-12-03T04:57:04Z

Military aspect

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	===Military aspect===		===Military aspect===
	The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players ~~have~~ also ~~reported~~ not ~~knowing~~ about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no troops and no protection from capture.		The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players may also not know about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no troops and no protection from capture.

	The way officers, crew, and troops are generated was also changed. Extra military buildings were added specifically to produce them. However, these mechanics are extremely unclear and players still voice confusion about why their city has no crew or troops available. These mechanics were changed to make it easier to generate crew from cities directly, however this mechanic is still seen as more confusing than the old city system.		The way officers, crew, and troops are generated was also changed. Extra military buildings were added specifically to produce them. However, these mechanics are extremely unclear and players still voice confusion about why their city has no crew or troops available. These mechanics were changed to make it easier to generate crew from cities directly, however this mechanic is still seen as more confusing than the old city system.

Celarious: /* Military aspect */ crew

2024-12-03T04:56:22Z

Military aspect: crew

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	===Military aspect===		===Military aspect===
	The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players have also reported not knowing about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no troops and no protection from capture.		The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players have also reported not knowing about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no troops and no protection from capture.

			The way officers, crew, and troops are generated was also changed. Extra military buildings were added specifically to produce them. However, these mechanics are extremely unclear and players still voice confusion about why their city has no crew or troops available. These mechanics were changed to make it easier to generate crew from cities directly, however this mechanic is still seen as more confusing than the old city system.

	In addition, pressurized roads were completely removed, and the canopies/shells of HEV buildings are no longer automatically added, instead requiring the designer to manually add them. Both of these aspects have been criticized.		In addition, pressurized roads were completely removed, and the canopies/shells of HEV buildings are no longer automatically added, instead requiring the designer to manually add them. Both of these aspects have been criticized.

Celarious: /* Military aspect */

2024-12-03T04:51:15Z

Military aspect

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	===Military aspect===		===Military aspect===
	The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players have also reported not knowing about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no ~~protection~~ and no ~~troops~~ from capture.		The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players have also reported not knowing about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no troops and no protection from capture.

	In addition, pressurized roads were completely removed, and the canopies/shells of HEV buildings are no longer automatically added, instead requiring the designer to manually add them. Both of these aspects have been criticized.		In addition, pressurized roads were completely removed, and the canopies/shells of HEV buildings are no longer automatically added, instead requiring the designer to manually add them. Both of these aspects have been criticized.

Celarious: /* Controversy */ military

2024-12-03T04:49:05Z

Controversy: military

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	With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production and size, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities, having it all be done in the designer instead. This has also been argued as making city-building feel less "gamey". While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, another aspect of the system has exacerbated the issue: The new system enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. For example, a machine shop design being usable as an explosives factory due to using the same volume. If a design is usable for other industries, it is listed under the available blueprints for every compatible industry. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]		With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production and size, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities, having it all be done in the designer instead. This has also been argued as making city-building feel less "gamey". While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, another aspect of the system has exacerbated the issue: The new system enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. For example, a machine shop design being usable as an explosives factory due to using the same volume. If a design is usable for other industries, it is listed under the available blueprints for every compatible industry. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]

			===Military aspect===
			The military aspect of cities was also changed and criticized, during the MMO era. The original system used military flags that were placed throughout a city and had to be captured in order to take control of it, with military buildings optionally used to add defences to the city. When captured, the population would need time to flip loyalty to the conquering empire. With the overhaul, loyalty, town squares, and military flags were removed, instead having the entire world claimed by an empire using a single flag. Only the empire that holds the claim can build on that world. When the world is claimed, all buildings come under control of the claiming empire. That claim is protected by a "military base", which is a separate type of city just for military buildings. The entire world becomes part of the "base", unlike cities. The base is started by a "military headquarters", which itself is also protected by the other military buildings. Building damage, HP, and terrain deformation were added to allow destruction of military bases in order to capture the world claim and thus all cities. Regular city buildings were also given HP, but they can only be damaged if there's no military base. Now, in order to claim a city, one must destroy every military building, then the military headquarters, then place a flag and all cities will flip ownership. There is no more city population loyalty, so the cities instantly become fully owned by the conqueror. Alternatively, the player can simply continue destroying the city from orbit. The destruction aspect has been criticized for turning combat from an intuitive "on the ground" capture system, into simply bomb from orbit and wait. There is no chance of recapture if the enemy decides to bomb the city out of existence. Terrain deformation and the new designer have also led to massive building exploits. The claim/base aspects have caused massive player confusion, with many players unsure about the difference between a "claim", "base" and "city", confused about why both claim flags and bases can be placed outside of cities, and also being unsure how to provide resources to bases. Some players have also reported not knowing about the claim system, allowing any other empire to visit their planet, plop a flag anywhere, and instantly take over all the cities. Because there is no "town square" anymore, by default a city has no protection and no troops from capture.

			In addition, pressurized roads were completely removed, and the canopies/shells of HEV buildings are no longer automatically added, instead requiring the designer to manually add them. Both of these aspects have been criticized.

	==Changes==		==Changes==

Celarious: /* Controversy */ img

2024-11-30T21:26:27Z

Controversy: img

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	==Controversy==		==Controversy==
	[[File:BlueprintConfusion.png\|right\|thumb\|]]		[[File:BlueprintConfusion.png\|right\|thumb\|An example of a flood of unrelated designs showing up when placing a building, which causes massive player confusion]]
	Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the specific changes of the building and city overhauls have also been criticized:		Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the specific changes of the building and city overhauls have also been criticized:

Celarious: /* Controversy */

2024-11-30T21:17:13Z

Controversy

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	==Controversy==		==Controversy==
			[[File:BlueprintConfusion.png\|right\|thumb\|]]
	Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the specific changes of the building and city overhauls have also been criticized:		Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the specific changes of the building and city overhauls have also been criticized:

	With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production and size, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities, having it all be done in the designer instead. While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, ~~it's also~~ enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]		With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production and size, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities, having it all be done in the designer instead. This has also been argued as making city-building feel less "gamey". While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, another aspect of the system has exacerbated the issue: The new system enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. For example, a machine shop design being usable as an explosives factory due to using the same volume. If a design is usable for other industries, it is listed under the available blueprints for every compatible industry. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]

	==Changes==		==Changes==

Celarious: /* Controversy */

2024-11-26T01:25:37Z

Controversy

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	==Controversy==		==Controversy==
	Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the building and city overhauls~~' specific changes~~ have also been criticized:		Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the specific changes of the building and city overhauls have also been criticized:

	With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities. While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, it's enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]		With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production and size, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities, having it all be done in the designer instead. While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, it's also enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]

	==Changes==		==Changes==

Deantwo: Starforce Academy.

2024-05-09T22:53:26Z

Starforce Academy.

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	* Added [[Military Barracks]]		* Added [[Military Barracks]]
	* Added [[Space Marine Barracks]]		* Added [[Space Marine Barracks]]
	* Added [[~~Star Fleet~~ Academy]]		* Added [[Starforce Academy]]
	* Added [[Military Guard Post]]		* Added [[Military Guard Post]]
	* Added [[Military Motor Pool]]		* Added [[Military Motor Pool]]

Celarious: /* Controversy */

2024-04-01T23:58:11Z

Controversy

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	==Controversy==		==Controversy==
	~~Similar to~~ the controversy ~~caused by the new designer with the~~ [[Spacecraft Update]], the building and city ~~overhaul has~~ also been criticized ~~for many of the same designer usability issues, but also due to some other citybuilding-specific changes~~:		Alongside the designer controversy described in [[Spacecraft Update]], the building and city overhauls' specific changes have also been criticized:

	With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities. While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, it's enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]		With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities. While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, it's enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]

Celarious at 09:12, 1 April 2024

2024-04-01T09:12:42Z

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	** The magnitude of the morale increases the rate of arrivals and departures.		** The magnitude of the morale increases the rate of arrivals and departures.
	** The maximum rate per world is one arrival and one departure per minute.		** The maximum rate per world is one arrival and one departure per minute.

			==Controversy==
			Similar to the controversy caused by the new designer with the [[Spacecraft Update]], the building and city overhaul has also been criticized for many of the same designer usability issues, but also due to some other citybuilding-specific changes:

			With the expansion of the system to buildings and cities, many players have voiced confusion with city building. New buildings no longer used "levels" for production, and instead determine their capabilities just from volume allocated during designing. This has been argued as a bad thing, as it lowered building flexibility and removed part of the decision making process when building cities. While this aspect has caused confusion by itself, it's enabled design multi-use, where a single building design can be used by many building types that the design also technically fulfils the requirements for. This resulted in the same design being usable for many different industries, so one can see a machine shop when placing a refinery, or a design studio when placing an airport, which only caused further player confusion and has been described as far less "friendly to play" by returning players.[https://steamcommunity.com/app/2239520/discussions/0/4030222029802512109/]

	==Changes==		==Changes==